Patrick Reany
13 May 2026
Note: This chat I had with Copilot is likely edited for relevance and brevity. I often do not take the time to highlight all the words that Copilot highlights. Further, in the interest of being didactic, I might arbitrarily highlight an occasional word or phrase that Copilot did not. (Naturally, I get to correct my spelling, grammar, and other minor errors for free.)
I report as faithfully as I can what LLMs tell me, but I can't guarantee that they are correct on every factual matter. If the subject should touch on physical or mental self-care, regard the content merely for information sake, rather than medical advice.
Special Note: I am not a chemist and I have very limited chemical knowledge. Anyway, I likely made some chemistry mistakes in my prompts to Copilot, trusting that Copilot will either correct or just ignore my mistakes and reply with something that makes sense to chemists.
Patrick:
I'm trying to describe chemical reactions that tend to produce "stable" products from the GAP+entropy viewpoint. Now, for examples, the oxidation of both sugars and alcohols tend to produce either CO2 or H2O or both, and both tend to be stable after that, especially so for H2O. These "stable" products act as "stable attractors" in the bonding-competitive race to form a stable product, and these stable products require more energy to break their bonds than do those "competing" products, which supposedly explains (at least in part) why they aren't produced as often as the stable products in the first (or break down sooner). By the way, the (chemical) stability of the products depend on the environment they are produced within. Obviously, if the products are quickly dumped into an extremely hot environment, all these bonds will be broken -- I'm eliminating that side of the argument as trivial. Environments can be anything from friendly to the stability of the products to unfriendly to the stability of the products. I haven't as yet even thought about how to include in this analysis those catalyzing agents in the environment that would destabilize these otherwise stable end products.
Copilot:
Here’s the cleanest way to say it in GAP‑language without losing the chemistry: stable chemical products are not “stable” because of entropy alone, nor because of bond energies alone, but because the entire reaction–environment–projection system funnels many micro‑possibilities into a few robust macroscopic attractors.
Let me give you a structured, GAP‑aligned version of what you’re reaching for.
When a reaction like oxidation of sugars or alcohols produces CO₂ and H₂O, the stability is not a property of the molecules in isolation. It is a property of the whole representational closure:
A “stable product” is a GAP attractor:
a representation that survives repeated projection, coarse‑graining, and environmental perturbation.
CO₂ and H₂O are extremely deep attractors because:
So the GAP picture is:
many possible micro‑products → projection → coarse‑graining → only a few macrostates survive → CO₂ and H₂O dominate.
You’re right that bond energies matter, but the GAP framing makes the logic cleaner:
It’s between representations of the system under projection.
CO₂ and H₂O win because they are:
This is exactly the kind of “deep attractor” GAP is designed to describe.
You already anticipated this: stability is environment‑relative.
→ CO₂ and H₂O remain at the bottom of the attractor basin.
→ the projection changes, the attractor landscape changes, and “stable” products can be driven uphill.
This is exactly the GAP idea:
change the projectors → change the attractors.
Catalysts are not destabilizers of the final products.
They are destabilizers of intermediate representations.
A catalyst:
But crucially:
Catalysts do not change the final thermodynamic attractor.
They only change the path to reach it.
Unless the catalyst is part of a larger environment that changes the thermodynamic constraints (e.g., electrochemical cells), the final attractor—CO₂, H₂O—remains the same.
So in GAP terms:
Catalysts modify the geometry of the flow, not the location of the attractor.
You can summarize the whole story like this:
Entropy is not the cause of stability.
It is the certificate that the attractor has been reached.
For example:
Just tell me which direction you want to push next.
Patrick:
I'd like to see an example that incorporates the first three items and done in such a way that it will serve as a salient example of how to use GAP reasoning in chemical bonds analysis. Then I'll put it up on my website to attract the attention of chemists, who will, hopefully, take it from there.
Copilot:
GAP example: ethanol oxidation as a bonding‑competition case study
Below is a concise, publishable example that uses GAP reasoning to explain why complete oxidation products (CO₂ and H₂O) act as stable attractors in organic oxidation, and how environment and kinetics shape which attractor is reached. The worked example is ethanol → acetaldehyde/acetic acid → CO₂ + H₂O, shown as a GAP analysis you can post on your site.
System: a closed sample of ethanol molecules plus oxidant (O₂) in an aqueous environment at moderate temperature.
Microstates: all possible bond‑making/bond‑breaking arrangements among C, H, O atoms and transient radicals.
Projection operators: experimental constraints that pick which microstates are observable — temperature, pressure, solvent, oxygen partial pressure, and measurement timescale.
Coarse‑graining: group microstates into macrostates defined by molecular identity (ethanol, acetaldehyde, acetic acid, CO₂, H₂O).
GAP statement: the projection (environment + timescale) maps a huge microstate set into a small set of macrostates; the attractors are macrostates that remain after repeated projection and coarse‑graining.
| Attractor | Thermodynamic driver | Kinetic barrier | Environmental sensitivity |
|---|---|---|---|
| CO₂ + H₂O | Low Gibbs free energy; fully oxidized carbon and saturated bonds | Often high activation energy for complete oxidation | Favored in presence of O₂ and oxidizing catalysts; disfavored at low O₂ |
| Acetaldehyde / Acetic acid | Intermediate free energy; partially oxidized carbon | Lower activation energy from ethanol | Favored under mild oxidation or limited O₂ |
| Unreacted ethanol | Higher free energy relative to oxidized products | No barrier to remain; requires activation to react | Stable if oxidant absent or catalyst absent |
Each row is a candidate representation in the bonding competition. CO₂ + H₂O sit at the bottom of the thermodynamic basin and therefore form a deep attractor under oxidizing, moderate conditions. Evidence that glucose and other carbohydrates oxidize to CO₂ and H₂O under aerobic respiration supports this general pattern. bing.com
GAP conclusion: CO₂ + H₂O dominate when the projection includes sufficient oxidizing power because they are thermodynamically deepest and many micro‑paths converge to them. Under projections that exclude high‑energy steps, intermediate oxidation products are the attractors. General carbohydrate oxidation behavior illustrates this pattern. geeksforgeeks.org bing.com
This distinction explains why some oxidations stop at aldehydes or acids in lab conditions while combustion or cellular respiration proceeds to CO₂ + H₂O. bing.com
GAP caption: “Chemical stability is a property of the reaction–environment projection. Under oxidizing projections, many microscopic reaction routes collapse into the same macroscopic attractor — CO₂ and H₂O — because those macrostates minimize free energy and are robust to perturbation. Under milder projections, local attractors such as acetaldehyde persist.” geeksforgeeks.org bing.com
If you want, I will convert this into a single‑page diagram and a short explanatory figure caption suitable for your website. I can also expand the worked example with a simple energy‑profile sketch and annotated pathway arrows for ethanol → acetaldehyde → acetic acid → CO₂ + H₂O.
Patrick:
Yes, proceed.
Copilot:
Diagram preview and layout
Goal: a single, publication‑quality figure that makes GAP reasoning concrete for ethanol oxidation and is ready for web embedding.
Overall composition (left → right):

Caption to Ethanal_GAP-Diagram: Under different environmental projections (temperature, O₂, solvent, catalyst, timescale), the same microscopic reaction network funnels into different macroscopic attractors: mild projections trap intermediates (acetaldehyde/acetic acid) under kinetic control, while oxidizing projections allow exploration of the landscape and drive the system to the thermodynamic attractor (CO₂ + H₂O).
SVG version of ethanol_GAP_diagram.
Afterword: Copilot has many papers on my website (in the form of chats I had with it) that explain what GAP is "the Great Atractor Program" of analyzng stability in mathematics, physics, chemistry, etc.